vhoward1122
vhoward1122
29 posts
Joined August 2011

Small primer problems

I have had my XL650 for several years now and it has been a good reliable reloader. Recently, I switched to small primers from large primers and did the parts change for it like usual. Cleaned everything while the machine was disassembled like usual. However during the loading operation for my 9mm, I got about 10% of my primers that would get seated sideways. I rechecked all my adjustments to make sure I did not miss anything and can not figure out why the primers are turning sideways. They feed fine when I am manually indexing the primer feed, but when I am loading, about 1 in every 10 are sideways.
divejj
divejj
137 posts
Joined December 2012

RE: Small primer problems

That's happened to me when I missed changing to the small tube inside the primer feed. Most were correct, but 5-10% would be sideways. Do a double check with both tubes side by side, you can see the difference. Other than that, the rotating plate might have been missed, it too could cause that. I hope this helps,
JJ
dillon
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dillon
3,074 posts
Joined July 2007

RE: Small primer problems

Did you adjust the station two locator tab? Part number 13242,this tab needs to be adjusted to within .002-.004" of touching the case. Refer to figures 194 & 195in the manual.
vhoward1122
vhoward1122
29 posts
Joined August 2011

RE: Small primer problems

I did adjust station #2 case keeper. I also made sure it was the primer wheel for the small and it is the inner tube for small.
lacoppari
lacoppari
32 posts
Joined September 2016

RE: Small primer problems

When you are reloading remove the de-primed case before attempting to seat the primer and look to see if the primer is positioned properly in the rotating wheel with all the holes. Also you could index the wheel manually to see if the primers are resting in the proper position in the wheel. I trust you changed the rotating wheel to the small primer wheel. If grease gets into the holes of the wheel, problems occur.
dillon
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dillon
3,074 posts
Joined July 2007

RE: Small primer problems

FIrst, cycle 20 or 30 primers through the machine, without any cases in the shellplate and feed tube. Make sure all of the primers come up correctly. The most common cause for sideways primers is that the primer seating assembly is not fully threaded up into the underside of the platform.
next, check the shellplate pockets for residue, such as tumbling media or powder in the grooves. Use a pick or wire to clean the pockets.
Make sure none of the cases you are loading have crimped primer pockets.
vhoward1122
vhoward1122
29 posts
Joined August 2011

RE: Small primer problems

That's the weird thing. When I manually index primers through the primer system, every primer goes by in the correct position. The primer punch assembly is snugged in with a wrench. I will check the shell plate grooves.
vhoward1122
vhoward1122
29 posts
Joined August 2011

RE: Small primer problems

Well. I complete disassembled the priming system, double checked it was clean, the right parts were installed, everything adjusted right and the groove in the shellplate are clean. Loaded 100 rounds and I still ended up with one primer sideways.
vhoward1122
vhoward1122
29 posts
Joined August 2011

RE: Small primer problems

Well, apparently my press and bench were jumping around because the powder funnel I had in the machine was scored greatly and would not release the case smoothly even with case lube. I replaced the powder funnel and now the press operates smoothly. I didn't even notice the jump at first.
No more flipped primers.
Bucolic_Buffalo
Bucolic_Buffalo
64 posts
Joined June 2016

RE: Small primer problems

Once a tiny little bit of brass gets stuck to the powder funnel, it just gets worst. You should be able to carefully remove it with fine brass or bronze wool. Or a soft 3M pad. Something that won't scratch steel. The inside of cases needs to be dirty from firing, or dry tumbled. If washing, they need to be lubed. New brass is real bad about this.

Of course, with too much lube, or perhaps not the best choice of lube, that can cause powder to stick around the mouth of the cases.
vhoward1122
vhoward1122
29 posts
Joined August 2011

RE: Small primer problems

Yeah, I was tumbling with soapy water and stainless steel pins to get that new shine. That's what did it probably. I don't do that anymore every time. I tumble in dry walnut shell now every time and do the wet tumble once a year. But it has been a while since I loaded any 9mm, so this was the only powder funnel that had the scoring on it.