GUNFUNCO
GUNFUNCO
3 posts
Joined January 2015

Setting up swage operation on RL1050

Is there an easy way to know that you have the primer swager set up properly or a certain set of steps that you should follow in setting it up.(something like raising the ram and then screwing the rod down until you feel the resistance of the case or something like that)

I took a RL1050 apart and cleaned it after it had not been used for many years and I'm not the original owner.

I read the owners manual and don't see a way to know that you have it set up properly or even a set of steps to follow in setting it up.

It is working but I feel some resistance with the press handle all the way down and I want to know that I'm not crushing the web of the case too much or anything like that.

Thanks in advance.
GUNFUNCO
GUNFUNCO
3 posts
Joined January 2015

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

I guess I should have downloaded the manual for the Super 1050 (which I just did).

It's instructions and photos are clearer than the old RL1050 manual that I had.
Keith Kessler
Keith Kessler
1 post
Joined September 2015

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

Hi,

FWIW, I've only been running a 1050 for about 3 months.  Picked it up used as a ball of rust.  I also had to tear it all the way down to clean up the parts.  In the end it came out very nice.  Setting up the primer swage:  What I did.

1.) Deprimed case inserted in the station.  This was 9mm and I left it unsized.  I turned the top stop screw down by hand as far as i could with the handle down.  Essentially I just touched the web of the case.  I turned it down about 1/12 turn and locked it.  With the handle down, I adjusted the lower punch upward until it could not be turned by hand.  I went an additional 1/6 turn.

2.) Found some 9mm crimped (Federal NT, some Winchester Mil stuff).  I fed the press 1 case at a time and checked the results of the swage.  I increased the height of the lower punch 1/12 of a turn at a time until it looked right.

3.) Ran about 100 rounds.  At first I was getting about a 3-5% failure rate with primer insertion.  Added about 1/12 more to the primer punch and got a 1% failure rate.  I can live with that.

I normally have a 2-5% failure rate with other presses w/o a swager and try to pull the cases before the priming station.  I don't catch them all.

BTW, don't force the handle down.  It will break things.  Don't ask how I know.  I had a case tonight get to the swage station with a primer in it!!!  Bad, bad, bad.  I don't know how that happend.  I've never had a double index on the 1050.  Luck I was only 15 rounds into the batch.  I'll shoot the 15 rounds slowly just in case there was a squib.  If I don't get a squib, I'll guess the primer rode the primer punch back into the case.  Very unlikely with the primer kicker on the size die but???

Good Luck,

Keith
dlolstad
dlolstad
4 posts
Joined June 2011

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

Do yourself a favor and cross cut a casing with a dremmel so you can visually see the engagement of the sizer and the swage rod.
78Staff
78Staff
4 posts
Joined January 2016

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

I've struggled with this as well, I believe I have it setup correctly - I'm loading 45acp and not actually crimping military brass, but do want the swage hold back rod to properly expand the case slightly, and the swage rod to clean up any primer irregularity, as well as catching any SP brass...

here's a video of mine with a cut off case, but if something appears incorrect please let me know :).

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86763807/20161202_015325.mp4
rsuttle1@cox.net
rsuttle1@cox.net
1 post
Joined April 2014

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

In looking at your video, I believe your swage rod is going in too deep. Only the tip of the rod must pass the crimp area on the bottom of the case. There are two shinny areas on the top of the rod, the top shinny area is the only part that must pass.

In the photo of my swage rod it appears that the “lower shinny” area of the rod is a little too high. (but there is no pressure on the bottom of the case) Only the tip needs to pass.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/SwagRod1.jpg

Raise the hold down die, lower the swage rod. Then lower the tool head, screw down the hold down die until it touches, finger tight. Then raise the swage rod until the tip passes the swage area. You are done.
dlolstad
dlolstad
4 posts
Joined June 2011

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

Based on your video I think you have it about right and rsuttle's appears to be a bit shallow. To each their own I guess - there are plenty of photos on Enos and other forums for you to compare with. In addition, Ballistic Tools makes a nice little swage gage which I also use when setting mine up.
78Staff
78Staff
4 posts
Joined January 2016

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

OK see I was going by the image in the manual, which has it pretty high in the pocket... I suppose there is some leeway built in, in that it does not have to be an exact measurement, just as long as it swages the crimp but doesn't distort the primer hole... Since I haven't run across any crimped 45 brass yet, I can't compare a before/after case scenario.

In all honestly, I may swap it our for a SPP detector rod setup vs. swaging, on the 45acp toolhead anyway.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/jilHpva.jpg[/img]
78Staff
78Staff
4 posts
Joined January 2016

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

Sorry guys about the img tags, just used to posting on "normal" forums :).

Here is image from 1050 manual that I was going by...

http://i.imgur.com/jilHpva.jpg

And thanks for the tip on Ballistic Tools, I see a few things I could use from there :).
breyton490
breyton490
2 posts
Joined August 2016

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

"Do yourself a favor and cross cut a casing with a dremmel so you can visually see the engagement of the sizer and the swage rod. "

Do this... you will save yourself time and headache. Cut the side wall off a case so you can see the base of the case. Insert the case into the swage station and lower the handle. You will visually see if your swage support rod and the swager are engaged properly.

Otherwise you will waist time on guessing until you find the right settings.
jjroth63
jjroth63
1 post
Joined December 2012

RE: Setting up swage operation on RL1050

I am setting up my Super 1050 for .223 prep; decap, swage, trim/size and neck tension. I was having a lot of trouble with the swaging station, the answer was to cut a case in half (the long way) with a Dremel cut-off wheel to expose the primer pocket, flash hole and case floor. By inserting the cut case, I could easily adjust the backer die the correct depth and raise the swage tool to properly swage the primer pocket. I check the swage and neck tension with the Ballistic gages.