fuy guldmarke
fuy guldmarke
14 posts
Joined August 2018

No reloads only trouble

We bought a XL650 in February to let our Club Mebers load for themself. The area where Machine should stand was occupied until July. So we built a table for it. And mounted Machine. First we had an issue with the Case Insert Slide, we contacted our Seller and promtly got a new one. An atempt to load ended in a Primer detonation, so we needed a new Primer Tube too.
After cleaning the Priming System and removing stuck Primers we found that the Primer indexing arm don´t mowe the Primer disk to the next position.
Failur again, no Primer to station 2. There is also friktion between the Primer Disk and the Platform at the rear of Primer Disk.
Sofare just frustration for full price. We are very disapointed.
Currently
Currently
21 posts
Joined September 2014

RE: No reloads only trouble

I’m not an expert but my 650 works well when adjusted right.

It doesn’t when I overlook something or forget to do something during a caliber change.

For that reason, I will not let anybody else use the 650 but I will let someone use either of my 550’s supervised.

Some suggestions:

Buy the 650 DVD and only allow people to use the press after they watch it.
Keep a copy of the owners manual next to the press.
Some people are visual learners and some can understand reading.
I needed both to fully understand the press.

Buy a couple 650 spare parts kits since multiple people will use the press.
Since multiple people will use the press, they will force and break parts because they do not understand what an adjusted versus a maladjusted press “FEELS” like. Forcing something will break it.

Get the alignment tool.
Press needs to be cleaned every 1k-2k rounds through it. I keep a can of compressed air to blow things clean whenever I refill my primer tubes.
The alignment tool will adjust the platform.
The other adjustment you have to pay attention to is the cam and plastic ring that rotates the platform.

Users will need to understand it takes about a second or so for the powder to drop in the case. One must pause with the ram all the way up to allow consistent powder charges. It is human nature operating a smoothly running machine to see how fast they can operate it. Pause and slow down again slowly for the priming operation. Watch a Mark 7 automated 650 video to see and understand the motion.

Whenever one stops using the press for a break, conversation or any reason; LEAVE THE PRESS HANDLE DOWN WITH THE RAM UP!
Also, never let the ram drop down fast without ones hand on the handle.
Primer will go off if this happens.

Another cause of primers detonating is trying to prime crimped military brass and forcing the operation. Again this is a “FEEL” thing. One needs to understand what feels right and what doesn’t.

I know it is to late to make this recommendation. In a club environment where several people of differing abilities will be using the equipment, a 550 would of been a better choice. I loaded for over 25 years before getting a 650. I have two 550’s and one 650 and still use the 550’s more than the 650.

Does anyone in your local area use a 650 and can you bring them in to coach you?
Bucolic_Buffalo
Bucolic_Buffalo
64 posts
Joined June 2016

RE: No reloads only trouble

Check page 35, Figure 165. They show removing the primer support shim. It is possible that it is not installed correctly and may cause the friction you feel. The primer disc pin has a groove in it for the primer support shim to fit into. It is under tension from the bowed washer. So the groove may not be visible. The instructions do not mention it, but you may need to push on the pin to make the groove visible, then slide the primer support shim in place. Install the screw, and it should move without excess friction.
fuy guldmarke
fuy guldmarke
14 posts
Joined August 2018

RE: No reloads only trouble

We exchanded a few parts Primer Advance Arm, Primer Shim and Cam.Adjusted and greased as described in the Manual.
Now it works like a charm.
Thanks for good advices from both sides of the Pond.
We will keep You posted.
lacoppari
lacoppari
32 posts
Joined September 2016

RE: No reloads only trouble

Numerous people using a 650 is a recipe for trouble. I have known people who can break anvils. Some people are mechanically inclined; others are not. A 650 is a single person machine.
Hkmp5
Hkmp5
2 posts
Joined September 2018

RE: No reloads only trouble

couldn't agree more with that statement ^^^^^ having multiple people use a machine that probably never read the manual is a disaster waiting to happen. no one touches my 650.
fuy guldmarke
fuy guldmarke
14 posts
Joined August 2018

RE: No reloads only trouble

We have exchanged broken Parts and limited the numbers of handling the Handle to two. Sofare the Machine works to our satisfaction. The DVD was very informative.
And helpfrom here has been very helpful, thank you all!